All the same, I think he's wrong on this one. Life could have originated on Earth and contaminated Mars through panspermia, or the other way around (as Mars had a liquid ocean before Earth did), or maybe life came from elsewhere and contaminated both planets. Use less stuff, make less of a mess and start to work on the over-population problem in a sensible way (whatever that would be). Mars has two big advantages: Far fewer people than the North Pole. (Go ahead and down rank me. We also have a large global stockpile of nuclear weapons that could destroy the planet multiple times. You'll need regular water sent to you by Earth or someone, or a way to generate it en-masse that we don't really have yet. A statement like that tells be someone doesn't have the slightest clue as to human nature. It requires energy. Shhhhhhhhh: don't tell them that our 3rd rock has been secretly colonized by denizens from the 2nd rock, who have already begun terraforming...errrr...venusforming(?) We would all share common DNA. Ergo, I argue Bill Nye is no longer human. Even the ISS doesn't have proper permanent residents, and that's only a day away if there's anything majorly wrong. Lit up, growing, thriving, fertilised, sustainable, no disease, etc. In the story “Dark They Were, And Golden-Eyed” Ray Bradbury wrote, “‘Chances are a plague did this town in, Sir. Every time I hear the term "Spaceforce" I think of "Salesforce", which fills me with loathing. This is John F. Kennedy's famous Rice Moon Speech. The largest volcano in the solar system is on Oh, I don't think it's going to take 500 years for us to solve that problem. Mr. Wizard was a far better role model, and challenged people to think. It's difficult to take you seriously when you fail to recognize that Jupiter is a gas planet so as far as Jupiter goes, there is no "on" to be. (Sure, that atmosphere would be lost in a million years, but so what?). Also, we would need to slow down their orbital velocities enough so they are not hitting the moon with Chicxulub-like speed; unless we want to run the risk of several extinction-level events a year. "We choose to go to the moon, not because it's easy but because it's hard". These could all end us, so if we move to Mars, then there's a chance we won't end up dying. Whereas if the identify of life on Mars were encoded by other means, there'd be no end of inquiry, no end of revolutionary research — we will have discovered the first truly new form of life. "May" != "Will". The Elon Musk/Space Nutters are going to tear him alive. Both types of radiation could damage DNA and increase you on getting cancer. As for Mars? Wait! I know you all really like Queen Isabella, but this is all just fantasy. The only reason Antarctica remains an international research park is that there has been so little interest in colonizing it. And what are these markets ou. You should try venturing outside your echo chamber. There is a … The only way to ensure our survival is to leave. And you're doing that all day, every day, constantly and hoping the insulation saves you some power. Like he said, why would anyone with a family willingly to move to a hostile environment like Antarctica? Yeah, you. I'm not trying to be insulting, but it's how it is. On the way flying to Mars it may take over a year and during that time you will face serious health risks from to main types of radiation like cosmic rays and energetic particles from the Sun. There also can be more resources for us and probably even new resources. It's a matter of technology. This is going to dissuade no one and will cost him some cachet. Ask a tribe of tropical hunter-gatherers whether it's possible to live in the Arctic - where t's freezing cold through most of the year, the sun does not shine for months and nothing grows there and they will tell you that no way, you must be crazy to think that it's possible. In the interests of unity ... whatever our positions on various issues might be, can we all just agree that the guy is annoying as heck (on anything but very basic science education)? Why We Should Go to Mars Humans seem to have never stopped exploring the outer space since their inception. NASA even said “The one thing we know basically what Mars is made of is Iron”. However, sending people to Mars for long periods of time would be extremely unsafe, and we shouldn’t … 1. We need to find evidence that it is safe. The more familiar we become with extraterrestrial travel and colonization, the more options and experience we will have to draw upon if and when we need them. According to Mike Wall, A senior writer, On Space. I think we should go to mars because, if there is a mission to mars we would be able to learn more about mars. That big, cold, lonely lump of rock spinning through the endless void 54.6 million kilometers away? Instead, we need to have a "backup" in case something bad happens, kind of like drives on a file. It is a fact that instead of going to Mars you can take a cruise trip around Earth 2.5 million times. We are there right now. Cold. Mars is not a candidate for terraforming, but it would make an excellent radioactive landfill. Physics fundamentals dictate that Mars will never resemble Earth, but it's human nature that people will one day live on it in a self-sustaining manner. Another thing is, We can get a plague from the Martian environment. How long does it take to travel to Mars? -- Alex Schure. Is it safe to live on Mars? Right now, with our current level of technology and environmental concern, all we'll do is shit all over Mars over a dozen failed colonization attempts before anyone gets one to stick. His knowledge is shallow compared to real scientists like Carl Sagan or Neil Degrasse Tyson. Why, the ladies! These arn't the sort of problems you can hand wave away. The sad part is that he's forgotten one of the key rules of being popular, and popularity is his key to influence. You don't get people to understand climate change by making them feel stupid or insulting religion, according to another science, i.e. Biologists would continue to revel in the biodiversity of life as we know it, but at the end of the day there'd still be only a sample of one: DNA-based life. You could veer off course and be hurtled into deep space, Or even towards the sun. Mars is no different. After that, I have a feeling that a Mars colony is going to be a money loser for a long, long time. If you need a significant amount of manufactured goods in space, it's not hard to imagine how the moon could eventually become viable just because launch costs would be much lower. We know that meteors jump between the planetsa fact established only in the past ten years, or so. Well put. For research, for hunting, for fishing, and for mining/resources. It may be a sad day for most of us. Production of goods meant for consumption in space? type discussions, but the practical matters will make it really really hard. Outside 'well, there is gravity! Helium 3? The big money was made by the people selling equipment and supplies to the miners. People will go. Prove me wrong. More water to sustain the food year-round than you drink as pure-water yourself. This Mission To Mars Could Bore You To Death”, She writes “boredom is one of the biggest threats to a manned Mars mission” (Paragraph 3). Pick any time horizon that you like, we're eventually extinct. Typically young men, which (according to everything -- including insurance company stats and rates for drivers) are more prone to taking risk. You'd need about 700 potted plants to generate enough O2 and, more importantly, consume the CO2 that you're exhaling and choking yourself with. . Will we go there to live once we have mastered genetic engineering to adapt to any environment? The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. Many spacecraft have died trying to get to Mars. Just because we don't have the technology *right now* doesn't mean it is completely impossible. many of the things of science fiction have a strange way of becoming common ev, The way I had learned science was that most things are considered to be truth. Trillions of them. Then there is a threat of asteroids hitting the planet and causing a worldwide catastrophe. Power isn't free either, you need a whole bunch of equipment with a limited lifespan in a very harsh environment (see above) producing an AWFUL lot of power just to keep the temperature up and the lights on. People have been going to Antarctica for 200 years now and we still aren't able to live there permanently due to the harsh conditions. Reaching the moon is definitely possible - we've done it. Watch/Read The Martian - terrible movie/book, precisely because you only need look at the calculations done in it to realise the amount of stuff you need for even one human to live any length of time. At the rate we're going, Antarctica should be a pretty nice place to live within the next 100-200 years. It is important to explore Mars, and humans play a valuable role in that research. Terraforming is even farther out. Most of them selfish, short-sighted, etc. Seriously. We also know that certain classes of bacteria have very high thresholds for radiation and for temperature: they're extremophiles, they love extremes. Sorry. They would carry with them their earthly microbes. The idea of colonizing other planets (or moons) is so that if something happens to earth , whether our fault (global warming, nuclear war) or a natural event (another large asteroid impact or supervolcano ) , mankind can still survive elsewhere. If you get cancer there isn’t yet any way of medical. Biggest unknown is how much adsorbed CO2 is in the regolith IIRC. Once we're a viable. We will have to live in confinement due to the lack of Oxygen and this can have immense effects on our psychological state. Even mining the ocean floor would be easier! I think he is right, perhaps for different reasons. These arn't the sort of problems you can hand wave away. How safe is the journey? What will the astronauts do on Mars? But if we hand pick people who care about the sort of thing, then the greediness (for a time) won't hold people back. Bill Nye: We Are Not Going To Live on Mars, Let Alone Turn It Into Earth. Downright balmy. We should not go to Mars because we do not have the technology to get up to Mars. The other thing is the resources on the planet, Well all we know is the Iron on the surface, But thats all. I deserve it. That could be really dangerous for an astronaut, And possible can kill them. In 1969, astronauts landed on the moon, which represented a landmark in humans’ history. And the difficulty and expense of all those things you mention is orders of magnitude greater than living in the Antarctic, which nobody does. The thing is that that the food could be contaminated, Once again Bradbury writes “‘Onions but not onions, Carrots but not carrots. Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading! The best reason to put humanity on another planet is that this one may eventually get hit by a big rock or dirty snowball. This may seem like complete science fiction, But according to a press release by the Near-Earth Tracking Project “An asteroid large enough to wipe out France hurtled past the Earth at a distance of a half-million miles just days after scientists spotted it. The way I had learned science was that most things are considered to be truth, though open to other ideas, and the idea that a new option might come up that brings about a different view. You would agree that the center of Antarctica in winter is cold, not the best of places to set up … And last but not least, It probably costs more to send a small ship to or (theoretically) from Mars than the combined cost of all activity on the North pole throughout human history. You know, kinda like getting Lockheed Martin to build a fucking outdated F-35. If we read the literature about serious terraforming and stuff, it's a slow, meticulous process that would take centuries with cost overruns. We are an apex species, and evolution is not kind to apex species. Face it, we're all screwed as a species on Earth if we continue to change our climate like we're doing now. Right now, with our current level of technology and environmental concern, all we'll do is shit all over Mars over a dozen failed colonization attempts before anyone gets one to stick. So, maybe ~500 years from now we'll figure it out. Our entire federal government is run by a reality television show host. At the moment we're showing great dexterity in de-terraforming Earth. Presuming you have them. Plenty of empty deserts on Earth where virtually nobody's pushing onward to new vistas, Antarctica included. Another reader might say that going to mars is a bad ideal. Goods meant for consumption in space? A 'little imagination' is part of the problem. Re:He's not just a blowhard, he's an idiot. Definition:First of all.. Mars is a planet. There just are not enough good reasons to do it outside fulfilling fantasies, and when one actually looks at what is involved in maintaining a self sufficient colony (hint : you can't do it with a couple of 3d printers and some magic mining machines), it gets crushed pretty quickly. There may be riches in the New World, but it will never be worth the time or effort to extract them. Why not just put them at the Lagrange Points? Hoping to land a man who struck it rich! That's why I like him so much more than many others. And to even send people to Mars and to attempt forming life over there before fixing the environment is an absolute no no! Elon Musk has been known to reiterate the importance … If we don't blow the planet up in the next decade or two I'll be surprised but anything can happen. It's so abundant in places that just scraping the surface [nasa.gov] reveals it. Scientist Stephen Hawking claims that humans need to colonize planets in the next 1,000 years to ensure survival. as far as I know, we haven't pulled off such a multi-generational project. Nah, sorry that shit doesn't fly. Still coming from Tyson we don't learn anything new about biology. We also do not have a spaceship big enough to carry all the supplies up to Mars and it would cost a million to go to Mars. Per person. Three reasons why we shouldn't go to Mars 1. And that food doesn't grow out of nothing. Comets would provide both water, oxygen, and momentum (spin). It isn't. How many kids are you willing to have to get ones that work? Such as if humans can live there. Second, Mars kills stupid people much more quickly than the North Pole. Come on, now; it's very much an RTS for the decision makers of this world. No we shouldn't go to mars. Going to the moon was never impossible, and neither is going to Mars. Humans have never gone to Mars, and scientists still aren’t sure if there has ever been life there. And definitely not 1,000 of them. Duh? And mostly-self-directed robotic mining equipment no longer sounds like far-fetched SF. When an implausible dream becomes a dangerous fantasy that meshes well with a popular form of science denialism, a scientist should denounce it. Something similar will happen on Mars. Dismissing life on Mars and then talking about the things that are among the easiest? Moving 1,000 comets seems not too far off from our capabilities today. The fact is, we already have been to Mars. There are many people interested in moving to Mars. Not to mention his tendency to reverse his position based on whatever inanity goes through his brain. This is a huge project. it, and have made tremendous progress in that direction in just a bit less than a single century, local time... We should terraform Antarctica just to piss Bill Nye off. At that point we probably w, With stupid people electing stupid politicians there's a great incentive for some people to move to a place which is a technical meritocracy. I'm sure if we teraform Mars we'll ruin it later once it's commercialized, but that's a different ch. Mars is more than 142 million miles from the sun. For humanity to continue to survive we must leave our home. We need better technology to get to Mars faster because it takes about 7-8 months at the earth's and mars closest point to get there with a rocket. Spoken like someone who has no idea what it takes to get tenure. So maybe the whole "global warming" thing is a hoax to scare us into volunteering to get on giant rockets to go live on the colonies in Mars! Play this game to review English. . How can we ever hope to colonize the New World, when we can't even live at peace among ourselves here in continental Europe? What are the risks of dust and sand on Mars? Otherwise you won't find folks living anywhere. Some day the global population may not be able to survive off the resources here on Earth. Start making millions of tons of rocket fuel in high orbit and suddenly the Solar system is ours for the taking. Summary. More like inevitable loss of all the mining jobs on Earth. I'm with the OP. Beyond some unknown future economic potential that Mars could provide that the Earth simply could not, once you go past the scientific/adventure angles, there's really only one compelling reason to go to Mars - survival of the species. The InSight mission hopes to improve the odds. Mostly, to get mining and other dangerous ecological practices off the planet we do live on. ’”. Ahm, it really isn't human nature outside science fiction. I don't think we would be especially interested in terraforming and living on Mars. We will eventually have to move out of this solar system. During the flight, You could smash into space debris. It gets an awful lot of energy on Earth. Not me though. Yes, and also he's wrong as heck. My first reason was that we could find life on mars.According to Neil deGrasse Tyson (Director, Hayden Planetarium) There is evidence to suggest that Mars was wet before Earth was wet. ', the planet doesn't really have much making it worth being there and you end up living in a high cost sealed environment that you might as well just build on earth and cover the walls in pictures of mars. Seems like all the recent spacesuit designs developed for Mars, the Moon,etc. You got yer Moon/Earth, Earth/Sun, Any one object/Any other object. If humans do eventually land on Mars, they would not arrive alone. When missions fail, It is often because of a crash landing. We’re gonna colonize Mars. ’”. As much as I lament to say this the current Bill Nye that we have now is either a corrupted version or a mere shadow of the guy we had once known. Habitats on Mars will obviously require lots of maintenance, so they will produce people who care for their habitats. All Rights Reserved. ’”, This shows that we could get the plague on the Red Planet and the colonists be wiped out. I await the future. Why We Can't Send Humans to Mars Yet (And How We'll Fix That) There's been a recent uptick in the idea of a human mission to Mars. If we would not welcome them home then they would be stuck on Mars and would never see their family again. You can't use Antarctica as proof we can't live permanently on Mars since we didn't try to live permanently there. That is if humans can even survive long-term in 1/6th gravity. Small groups may be able to survive for limited amounts of time presuming they have a reliable supply of very expensive and heavy equipment coming from Earth all the time. When it comes to colonizing outer space, Mars gets most of the attention, but there are also some very compelling reasons why we should colonize Titan. "Is there life there," is the question asked by many about Mars, the red planet. his comments on this one just get me thinking of the comment in the past that nobody will ever use more than 265k of ram. Why is he just mentioning solvable things? It'd be cool. Another reason we should go to Mars, is to inspire the next generation of space explorationers. Nye will eat his word when Musk bores a hole all the way t Mars. For example, see multitudes of mining towns and interior ports that have come and gone. I couldn't stomach his Netflix show. The delta-v is different for each, and the closer ones had damn well better be stable or we could Cretaceous our asses. Possibly, If someone gets sick on Mars and we welcome them to Earth they can spread the plague to men and Homo Sapiens can be wiped from the planet. So, if one individual fails to rebut his points on the merits, then it necessarily must follow that no rebuttal is possible?Really?Wow.Just wow. Our earth is turning into a big large dump, and if it keeps getting destroyed, eventually there will be no more people on Earth because the air will be so polluted. So lets go to Mars. Comments owned by the poster. Also, the amount of radiation you would receive traveling to Mars could harm child bearing people and hence mutations of the human race could evolve.Lastly, life on Mars won't be as fun as it sounds. Why We Shouldn't Go to Mars The End. It’s a fact that, Many astronauts could suffer from Chronic Boredom. But landing on Mars is probably the most dangerous event of all. It does not take much to come up with ideas that sound interesting, but a little more imagination usually finds the problems with them. Look at all the national claims on Antarctica. In similar fashion, humans intend to send a manned spacecraft to Mars.The mystery of Mars is always fascinating to humans on earth throughout the history. He's also against nuclear power, which is potentially mankind's near-term best hope to quell CO2 emissions and air pollution. If we aim to search for life on Mars, why would we send humanity to contaminate the planet? There are resources. Astronauts can be bored to death. Its just frozen. The Earth's environment has been more than enough, and most of those rich corporations don't give a hoot about it, and would much rather mega profit on that! We don't even know fully if there is oxygen or water on Mars. current technology and a lot of engineering, Misleading Virus Video, Pushed By the Trumps, Spreads Online, He Called it a 'Scamdemic' - Then Saw His Family Getting Sick, 'No Clear Evidence' Hydroxychloroquine Works Against COVID-19, Trump Declares National Emergency To Speed Coronavirus Response, Coronavirus: Trump Suspends Travel From Europe To US. There also can be more resources for us and probably even new resources. It will just be much easier to make huge orbiting habitats for those who want to escape Earth. Methane emissions detected by the Curiosity rover strongly supports the suspicion that it still does, protected underground in hydrothermal reservoirs. And there are loads of people living there. Why should we go to Mars? Humans should go to Mars to slowly work towards building a civilization there, according to Digital Trends. Why We Shouldn´t Go To Mars Why Shouldn´t We Go To Mars?Why is it so important? It's pretty sad that a guy that used to be the poster-child for science education and the limitless possibilities of the future has become essentially nothing more than a strident leftist mouthpiece. Think of him as a science teacher for adults, very science illiterate adults. And, if they make it past the economic hurdle, I have no doubt that they will be politically tied. If we want to go to mars, I'm sure we need to wait a millions of years, and if we go to Mars, we need a lot of money to make Mars to be livable. This is despite the fact that Musk's "Hyperloop" is rusting out in California and all he has built is a short tunnel in a parking lot. Also the ground is made of a toxic superfine dust. Overpopulation and limited resources on Earth makes Mars a potentially suitable place to colonize. E=mc^2. I don't want that if we need such amount of money. Does it make it difficult, quite certainly, yes. The only difficulty is social - as far as I know, we haven't pulled off such a multi-generational project. Or find some reason for trade routes to go through there (and need some kind of support) and the same will occur. Then if we try to search for life, all we find is our bacteria. [youtube.com]. Helium 3 extraction? etc. The fallacy ad hominem (abusive) is "This guy is evil, therefor his claims are wrong." Why Shouldn't We Send Man To The Moon -For Now The first reason I think that we shouldn't send man to Mars is that we already have our own ball of dirt to use and destroy with garbage, ash, chemicals and other things that damage the Earth's ecosystem. He's also wrong about how much frozen water is available because truth be told no one knows for a matter of fact yet (but some argue there is actually a great deal locked away below ground). If we go to mars it would be a huge leap for man kind. Zubrin walks through many of these problems and their potential solutions in his book "Case for Mars", an interesting read. We cannot rule out a common ancestor for Earth life and possible present or past Mars life. When the the first Apollo mission landed on the moon they only had 30 seconds of fuel left, 30 SECONDS! Except for a few valley towns, First Nations reserves and settlements, and some mining centres, people are measured in 1s and 10s per 100 square km. We can lose a lot of people and even possible most of the race, If a plague gets on Earth from Mars. People travelled to the Yukon, where (guess what) you can't grow food, you have to import everything, and may as well be the South Pole before gold was discovered. … What about setting up a mining community? My reasons are we could find life, we can I find something new,and because the resources mars has. I'll NEVER volunteer to do THAT! Of course, There are always two sides to the story and I want to show that. Sure we want a scientific base, and a few rich tourists will go. It doesn't have to be that either. So, like a lot of earthbound colonization? From the soil, fertilizers, the sunlight, etc. Find some valuable resource worth extracting* down there and there will be folks living down there. Why not? They fully expect Hyperloops in Mars before 2050. According to Maggie Koerth-Baker in, “Danger! All Its 350 Employees Work Remotely, "Our vision is to speed up time, eventually eliminating it." So no, "pretty much" everything he does isn't so great. It would be pointless to send some guys to mars for just a few hours like they did with Apollo. Smell: not like it used to be. In fact, however, Trump is not simply evil, but a selfish moronic blowhard asshole who is known to lie over even easily disproved matters. If we had wanted to, we probably could have. There is something we still haven’t talked about and that … Even if it's barren and hostile as Mars. Glasses, bowtie and/or tweed jacket... and be sure to never say anything, just look at them inscrutably when they speak. And who will follow? No new comments can be posted. That asteroid could have caused a global catastrophe and there was very little we could have done to change that. Saturn’s largest moon Titan is the only natural satellite with more than a trace atmosphere. I do not make these statements lightly as I had at once looked to him as a scientific role model of sorts. If that drive crashes, that file is gone forever. Ghrgnrhntrthnrhhhhnhnhnhhthn hang gang hhhhhhn go bhhhh hnhhhnhnhhhhbhn hhhhhhn h hog g g g g g g hog g big f d e. G t f d g g f g g g g g h j k u h f a d f t b v f g g g. While the probability of total planetary annihilation may be small, and we may be able to spot one coming a good while out, we should still be as prepared as we can be for any eventuality so important. While this is unlikely, It is an interesting allusion of how advanced human civilizations have disappeared in the past. Time and time again, the pursuit of society-scale technological challenges has proven to be beneficial. I find him annoying as fuck, because he plays such a bad cliche. However...he has stopped dreaming apparently. I can't say it won't happen in 10,000 years. We could make Mars Earthlike in all but gravity and the blissfully longer day, but I'm not sure what the point would be. well, I know movies and books love the idea, but it remains to be seen if it can be economically extracted or if it even has economic utility. Money is a huge factor in this and where would this money be coming from? Pull your lips off of Bill Nye's asshole for just a moment. A counterargument is: This quiz is incomplete! psychology. 24/7. City scope. If that's the case, maybe Mars had life before Earth had life. It was just too pretentious. Sure, we can't live in Antarctica permanently. Artificial gravity so that people can survive the two month flight isn't too difficult - a long. Law and treaties follow what people want to do, and quickly get abandoned if there is a push to do otherwise. We could pollute earth beyond the most dystopian imagination, and it would still be better than living on Mars. We’re already killing our own planet. 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